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May 21, 2005

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Mac

Given the current climate, any heresy is often good heresy.

More later..I want to ruminate.

issachar

I'm not sure partisanship is all that dead. Don't get me wrong, I wish it would die, but it seems to be holding on to power just fine. Taking a side for something seems to be the "old" reason for partisanship. Now it seems to me that people are partisan in order to be against something. They're against gay marriage so they vote against anyone who isn't loudly opposed. They're against those right-wing religious fundies, so they vote against any one from Western Canada. They're against US foreign policy so they vote against anyone who doesn't denounce US-style everything.

I heard the same sentiments when some people told me why they didn't like BC-STV. It'll help party X and I don't like party X. Vote to hurt the partisan enemy.

Any ideas on how to kill partisanship in our country? It needs to be done, but I'm fresh out of ideas...

robert

half-baked? Hardly.
Pretty well-thought out , I thought. I like the notion of not aligning oneself with a "team". It is a little more work because you have to consider every issue on its own rather than simply confirming which side your team is on. No one has a monopoly on good ideas and as hard as it is sometimes to remain open-minded, the effort to hear other voices leads to a more beneficial result than simply towing the party line. That said, Go Habs.

wilsonian

On a simple level (cause I'm all about that), I wonder what would happen if we all took advantage of the system in place. What would happen if we kept informed of topics debated, and called our MPs/ MPPs. What if we called them once a month, to let them know our views? What if 3 or 4 thousand of us did this? What if more did this? Regardless of the political persuasion of our elected rep.

Sometimes I think that debate goes on like it does because those elected folks are just guessing about what we want. What would happen if, after we make them responsible to make decisions, we made them able to make good, representative decisions.

A marked ballot once every four years is not enough.

JJ

I agree with your gut-reaction on this one Mike. I was thinking about this too recently. I thought that the amount of power in the hands of the independents was a remarkable thing, but such times are rare. I wonder if any thinking has been done as to how one might battle partisan-ship through some sort of "independent" movement. What would we lose by abolishing parties? In much the same way that we do not allow corporations to monopolize (well, at least in theory). Also half-baked thoughts from me, but I think you're right that times could be changing, and these ideas need to be kicked around.

Brad

I don’t understand why people in a democracy don’t bother to vote. The only thing more of a mystery to me is why people who haven’t bothered to vote feel like anyone’s going to give much credence to their opinions on what’s wrong with the system. How can you justify that this is ‘…the first election in a few that I’ve bothered to turn out for…”?

With the amount you pay in taxes up here, I can’t understand why anyone’s that apathetic. Seems a bit to me like someone who’s spending some significant cash on remolding their house…then allows someone else to choose the builders, abdicates any input on the design, doesn't stop by to check quality or progress, but gets all upset when it doesn’t turn out as they would’ve liked. In a democracy, it seems to me, the people generally get the government they ask for – and it’s the people doing the voting that are doing the asking.

Having said that, I think you’re on to something when you start to make the distinction between politics and partisanship. I would also be frustrated voting in this Parliamentary system. Of course it’s difficult to find a party that represents all of you individual beliefs. However, you can often find individuals that fit pretty well. In the States, I’ve voted in an election where I chose a Republican (individual) for President, a Democrat (individual) for Governor, 2 Republican (individuals for Representative and Senator) followed up by individual choices spread among the Republican, Democrat and Independent Parties for the local offices. I would’ve hated to have been limited to 1 party and no say on the individual who would represent my ideas.

robert

Brad,
With all due fairness, we can vote for different parties in the federal, provincial & municipal elections here as well. In a sense, we vote for the local person (MP or MPP) and whichever party wins the most of these local elections gets the leadership of the country (or province) as a prize.
Technically, you don't choose your candidates for President directly either, they are selected by the delegates who are elected but can always vote for whoever they want in the end.
Please don't get me wrong, I am not bragging about our system. Few Canadians are at the moment.

Brad

Fair points - Mike. I still don't understand, though, why you haven't been voting.

Mike

Well, the points were Roberts, but I'll take a stab at answering your question.

I didn't "not vote" intentionally. I just... didn't get around to it. Something came up. It was raining. It was sunny. In other words, it just didn't mean enough to me. I felt far enough outside of the system that I didn't really care what happened. There was no little box on the paper with a name next to it that made me say, "Yes, this person represents all that is important to me." As I said in the post, though, I've decided it's time to re-engage. Not because I've had a change of heart, but because I believe it's time to change things.

Brad

I'm glad you're going to start voting again. If thinking people vote I believe you'll get a thinking government. In the meantime, I've been up here almost two years now and it has been, to say the least, entertaining.

Mike

Brad - do not get me started.

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