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April 08, 2010

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yshekster

I have felt and thought this way for a VERY LONG TIME. Thank you brother, for reflecting the thoughts of Christ followers everywhere.

Broad-stroke-western-"Christians" have sided wrongly for a very long time. They tend to shrug their shoulders and just go with "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you." That's all they've got - quoting out of context. What about the rest of the Gospel?

Jason Coker

Some can have this conversation - and it is desperately needed - but most in the US Church can't. There are two more difference between Israel and Norway besides the tragic history of Israel:

1) The "chosen people of God" moniker that is mis-applied thanks to deeply entrenched low-level Zionism, and 2) Their sworn enemies are stereotypically Muslim, and nobody frightens typical Americans as much as Muslims.

There's a lot of baggage to work through here, and not just Israel's - much of it is our own. Kudos to you for trying to initiate an important conversation Mike.

Greg Barrett

Extremely well stated Mike. You've done us all -- Canadians, Americans, Israelis, Palestinians; Christians, Jews, Muslims, everyone -- a good service.

Marnie

By enlarge we have been taught to be black and white thinkers. Good/ bad, right/ wrong, evil/moral. This is deeply entrenched in the texture of storytelling. Myth, fable and drama are all rooted in this basic structure. Protagonist, antagonist joined together in conflict. Which makes for good fiction, but isn’t what is expressed or experienced in the real world. We constantly seek to define our history, current events and people groups by this ancient story model. Somebody has to be the epic hero and somebody has to be the oppressor. But, as we know the protagonist and antagonist is really a creation of who is telling or experiencing the story. People of faith are certainly susceptible to this type of either/or thinking. Which is odd to me.

For Christ followers one of the elements that fascinates us about Jesus is his ability to paint for us a broader and more complex story structure. He is a master of subtext. The story under the story. It is his very nature to fathom the unseen depths of situations and people. Blurring our preconceptions and making us look at the complexity of a world and humanity of grays. We are all an amazing mixture of protagonist and antagonist. But we don’t feel comfortable with a story structure that appears not to have structure at all. We don’t know who to attach our compassion to. Where do we place our empathy? If two different people are telling the same story two different ways who do we believe? Which journey do we take and invest in? Most often we choose the journey we feel most intimate with.

I’m not saying people and governments have not committed evil acts. Because clearly as the holocaust reminds us (and we should never forget) evil thrives and humanity must be protected and cherished. All I’m saying is that before you choose your hero and label your villain take both journeys and invest your understanding in both stories because that is the way of the peacekeeper. Perhaps that duality is impossible...but only impossible if we decide to make it so. Just thinking out loud for what it is worth.

David duChemin

Right, but why do you hate Jews? :-) Mike, as someone who has both Jewish family I love and spends time in the arab world, with people I love, thank you for this. I had a conversation a couple years back with a self-professed Christian who seemed to insist that this issue existed outside the mandate to love not only our neighbors, but our enemies as well. For me, it comes down to that. If Christ, a Jew, could forgive those who crucified him, perhaps there're hints in there for the needed future direction of all this - forgiveness, reconciliation, and peace.

We're so fond of the Us vs. Them, aren't we? God help us all.

Thanks for saying these things so articulately and with grace, respect, and love

John Santic

Well said Mike and spoken like a prophet. To level the playing field as you just did requires members of all parties and peoples to reconsider their assumptions in light of the truth you proclaim:

"The greatest way to respond to the injustices done against Jews is to stand against injustices committed against anyone, anywhere."

I think this is the crux of the matter.

idelette

Mike, thanks for breaking down the wall on this one. We cannot turn a blind eye to any injustice anywhere; we (whether persons or nations) should be held to the same standard.

So agree: "The greatest way to respond to the injustices done against Jews is to stand against injustices committed against anyone, anywhere."

Really well articulated response. Shalom. : )

Mike

Thanks for the comments friends, both here and on Facebook. Please keep them coming.

I'd also like to hear from those who are shaking their heads and saying, "Mike just doesn't get it."

Let's try to have that conversation.

boxthejack

Thanks so much for this. I was today involved in an email exchange which ended up with me reading similar ad hominem attacks on Stephen Sizer - a more gracious man you couldn't wish to meet. The fact that critics of Israel are forced onto the back foot like this is depressing, wearing, and probably does make people think twice about engaging with the issues.

But on the other hand, it is quite an endorsement of the arguments being made by those who are disturbed by the misery endured by Palestinians. Ad hominem attacks are a conversational last resort, in fact they are the end of conversation. Keep speaking the truth.

chuck aka xtnyoda

I read a great deal of dissent from Christian writers about the nation, Israel.

Egypt has also built a wall to keep the Palestinians out of Egypt... so why aren't we condemning Egypt as well as Israel?

Mike

Fair question Chuck, but I think one that can be addressed.

According to the UN (and every country that has refused to recognize the Israeli settlements located beyond the Green Line) Israel is occupying Palestinian territory, and is in violation of international laws governing the behaviour and actions of occupying forces.

Also, as I discussed in my post about the "Segregation Wall", that wall is not built to keep people out, but to disrupt and destroy the Palestinian economy, and to generally make life difficult for the local population.

Finally, much of the supplies that make it into Gaza are actually being smuggled in through tunnels from Egypt, so (thankfully) I don't think the Egyptians are trying very hard.

I've got a lot of time for the discussion about how other Arab countries are not doing enough for the Palestinians, but that is a completely different question. I think Israeli policy towards the Palestinians stands on it's own as a moral and ethical issue. As such, it's an important question to consider for those segments of the western church that offer their wholesale support of Israel.

Thanks for keeping the conversation going.

Kayti

Thanks for this. My husband and I can definitely relate as two persons living in this area. Looking forward to keeping up with your blog after a reference from a friend.

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